I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. Tim says there might be some truth to them for the Caribbean. But morals are very transient things. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. The economics of the slave trade may have meant that it was cheaper to work someone to death rather than allowing him a comfortable old age. Latin America for instance. Thats before you get on to the Khoisan and the Zulus, the Carthaginians and Romans, the Vikings versus pretty much anyone else who lived within raiding distance, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant. It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. We do not know how great the demand for women was. Back in the heyday of blogging, perhaps ten years ago or so, there was a blogger calling him/herself The Heresiarch who enjoyed running against received opinions. Video, 00:02:30Should black history be taught all year round? His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3, The Meaning of Zong, Spacious open-plan family home in Muswell Hill, Five Cineworlds across south London still at risk of permanent closure, Residents who have 'suffered for years' to be asked if they want blocks knocked down, Dazzling Thamesmead light festival returns with performances, films and flash mob, Charlton murderer claims prison guards broke his arm and sues for 20k, Children and young people with eating disorders face treatment postcode lottery, Angry protests erupt over Greek rail disaster, How fake copyright complaints are muzzling journalists, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. Slavery didnt last much longer for various reasons, fizzled out in a century or so, but we have the records to show it was still part of the system after twenty years of Norman rule: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. It happened. David Olusoga meets Janice Haber and her family, the descendents of Jewish . We do not know enough to be sure. The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. White people will take it. Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. White communities suffer huge losses from Black crime. I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. Have you ever read the account by Ibn Fadlan of a Viking funeral in Russia? Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. and while the responsible state still exists, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant.. Whitey bad, give me cash? It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards.. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. Get back to us when your sin/privilege is expunged. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). Perhaps Im a bit more culturally relativist these days, but just read it again, still absolutely awful. Anti-black riots broke out in Liverpool that year. Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. Used to be on a long-dead and much missed forum where the topics of debate ranged far wider than they do here (as did the viewpoints I think it would be useful if us right-wing brexity mob didnt chase off the sensible non-right-wing non-brexity types so much). Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Over 1000 years in Britain. (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. Even did something positive. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. Thats fine, BraveFart. All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. 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