More money for PFS. It left a bad taste in the clients mouth. They can offer the same and more products and then if they so choose sign on with Prepaid Legal directly and build up a client base with and get paid an initial commission and possible residual income that can pay them for years. Term is what it is a temporary policy. Quick info: I have NO financial experience. Ive never heard that. No. 2. I knwo I rather stay in a hotel that has a high standard than the cheapest one. He talks about driving a BMW when he wishes he had a Yugo while riding on public transportation. I do not nor do I admit to selling products to clients that are not good for them. Next time please use the spell check or a dictionary. You Laugh at something that is professional. Then theres those who use unisex rates and different guarantee periods. I hate to be your client when he says I want full coverage and you sell them Liability. But I have already proved you pay more have less. Like it or not thats how the policy works. Lowest form of attack for a sales person is to ignore the post and then attack the person. Would you give up 10 people to gain 100, 1000, 10,000? They lack at least a guaranteed insurability clause. State prisons systems only have three security levels. Well all that thinking changed when I put in my resigination papers. Some general comments about other message boards. I know it is hard for you think that since you left the company did not fall apart, but it actually thrived since your departure. Most suits like you are nasty people, thats why folks dont want to deal with you. Most of the agents I talk to in my business, love being captive. But its happened how its happened and cool. Have you ever read his post completely. The Securites arm of Primerica was ALWAYS looking into more sound investments and kept us informed when changes to our family of funds was in the works. I am getting tired of repeating myself, especially to a person that says he is a professional, but does not understand his products, nor how people react. Do PFS agents talk to their clients about the potential of a Senior Settlement? My former co-worker did not have a choice of a time limit or elimination period. That is a cost. Pretty smart of you, to bad you got found out. now it is starting to sound like Andy Griffith show . I quote you Michael Thomas:James, you are spot-on. They can also keep calling them since they are the company. I have seen the class that you need to take for insurance. manufacture, I would want many to choose from so that I could find one that )They sell Cash value, and they have a history or contacting clients and trying to convert them to cash value. Isnt Christian supposed to be Christ like? It is the same scam the cash value people try to say with the money in the cash value policies. Id like to throw in my thoughts as someone who has recently joined Primerica. Look, no one person can run a succesfull business by themselves. Could it be that people cant be trusted? But then again, I remember about that toner salesperson selling me that garbage. Your posts remind me of the competition for my friends business. We HIRE them. Who is attacking who. Quick question: So if you opened a restuarant, you would never talk to your family and friends about it. wants a 250,000 term policy guaranteed premium and convertible for 20 years. STAY AWAY FROM MESSAGE BOARDS. The only thing that being a non captive, is that you have no loyalty to any company. Well, by your example, Health Insurance as a benefit is bad. Whatever it is.i dont care because i personally.AM MOTIVATED. The FNA is nice but I have 3 fully customized software systems that generate FNAs that are not limited to PFS products only (Disability income analysis is needed). You can fit their needs by reviewing what is important to your clients, remember the asking the client questions, taking notes and really listening what is important to them and their families? Investors are encouraged to carefully review any documents that they receive from Citigroup in connection with the proposed settlement and to carefully evaluate what their options are. If I worked for PFS and walked away from you whom would you call, PFS and complain? Recruiting Primerica allows you to make money from marketing CITIs services whether you recruit or not. There are many different companies with many different products. Heres something to consider. > I invested in American Funds when I was 20 to 23 yrs old ($2,000/yr for 3 yrs) because a Primerica representative reached out to me. You are told you are a bussines owener. Are you going to ever admit you were wrong there as well as many other places. Most people who work with with Primerica, and I am not saying those that say they work it but really do not do what is required to succeed, even if they leave have more knowledge than the regular guy. How many hours working at minimum wage does it take a person to make a $1000 take home? That is one of the key things. Whihc is better one with ROP or both with Primerica. But I am open to FACTS. With my plan set up by Primerica, I have gotten an average of 12% on my money that would have gone to the insurance company, and if I die, my family gets both. Wde both laughed him out the door. It will be the cheapest because of your age and health, you can have guaranteed premiums, and you can have a conversion feature with no evidence of insurability from the same carrier. And we dont have brochures or ads laying everywhere. Primerica promotes business ownership which involves recruiting in order to build an organization. YMMV. Usually you lose 6 sales, or on average $1800. Even Bubba knew that. We recruit a person to help them build a business and a client base. Tom whats with the comments of ghetto, and people who cant speak english?? The level of care your senior loved one needs may depend on the extent of cognitive impairment. I wont even attempt to comment on your race analogy. I do not think so. You could be truthful or a liar. I think this is one of the better MLM systems. If you got to this pointi cant see how youd disagree unless youre two vultures huddling up togetherjust preaching same values and you find that in common lol. You also get one more thing. I cant wait to get my IRA moved from the professional that I have it placed with right nowBy the way, I never hear from this guy. Primerica does not pay people for helping families. Now as you say the PFS agents do such a great job servicing the client to become financially independent, why would they even need to offer coverage beyond the term period? funds equal to 8% as well But there is more than this one. XRL. If the Rep screws up, PFSI will separate themselves very quickly from him or her. Again, is this unique to Primerica? Some people want some sort of guarantee. There are many mixed opinions. This is something that every competent adviser has said to stay away from, but James said it is a great thing. Also it is not 7x more likely. Example, Insurance companies giving you examples is not a good source. Quality matters to me, and most people. YES..I RESEARCHED FOR SIX MONTH ( a bit irrational but Ill make my point, soon.) (This is from outside the insurance business. In order to sell Primerica's main products, you'll need to study for and pass an actual licensing exam. Instead of asking the people who didnt make it big why they didnt, ask the people who ARE successful how they did it? Well then the 18yr old just gives everyone he knows away the senior guys are happy and the junior guy thinks thats great, but then the will runs dry.. uh oh.. now its time for real business and talking to people we dont know.. Again you are making statements you do not have a clue about. Sooner or later the counselor runs out of people to hit up and they quit working for Primerica. By the way in past posts you have said you were an agent. Let me clarify your errors again. Do you know the difference between a good term policy and a bad one? But remember the 1990s, when all those clients got those letters about imploding policies. The smart man waits until they have all the kinks out so they can get the best return. You know they can;t be making money on that laptop for 200 dollars, but what they get you on is the warrantee, and the extras. 6. Life Insurance is not for estate protection, but income protection. So I went to office location, it was there garage. You pay $99 to get licensed. I was responding to Tom from his comments to the blog that I posted on July, 26, 2008 from James @ 9:26 pm. Not as many that are being sold the idea. But most of the clients that Primerica helps are not going to be in the top 2%. Walmart recruits (hires) for employees that they control their income. How do you think the christians think about them? The only bad thing was he did not take any advise but this is a free country and if someone does not want supplemental insurance it is their decision. The only draw back is that you get paid less. Primerica is the one company doing the right thing for their clients. Unless you work undersomeone then you are really not independent. I appreciate the debate and discussion going on but as I mentioned in the article above, I need everyone to stay civil and also not use profanity. . Most Christians would not. You talk about ROP, Term, and cash valve policies. Again, You do not know what you are saying. . Where does the extra money go? Like I tell all the people who contact me, dont take my word for anything. Your business which is a Multi-Level-Marketing, hence largest finanical services MARKETING org; notice the legal lingo that requires them to use marketing because you are definately not the largest financial services organization, is based very much so on recruiting. Do some reasearch..The financial companies are designing products and theres not enough agents to handle the coming business. Or you can earn while you learn, get your licenses paid for, and build a client base. SeedTime Money (Christian Personal Finance). You build up a strong leg and give it up so you can do the same? Go to the website and look under important disclosers. The thing is the PFS opportunity is sold as helping people and a us against the world concept. The agents themselves could be very good at what they do but they get paid on what i would call a laddering effect. -, I have been long enough in this business to know fact from fiction. Could it be that the company has a great model, and knows how to service the clients. You just probably fell under bad leadership, and/or were probably taught the system incorrectly. I just dumped the EXPENSIVE whole life policies that a family member, you know, a pro sold me(lol!). I have been called ignorant, a crook, and other negative things, so who really wins. I posted the truth from my experience and belief. He then had to get his own office because no one else would take on the risk. (This is conservative since they have started paying for the Securities Licensed.). Thanks for the laughs and by all means, please post again. Did you know in A.L. Lets use Edward Jones for example (not picking on themjust using them). The matrix also includes Level 0 which, in our opinion, equals a Trainee-level Software Engineer. Bottom line: PFS pays reps too little, and they charge clients too much. Xerox sales people do not sell HP. Since I did not nor will I ever invest in companies that are inherently bad, like Cigarettes, South Africa during Apatheid, and other companies, and chose not to send my money that way. You are placing a deposit down to start your business. They say the fees are minimal, the other monthly fees are also minimal, the commission is low, but if you have thousands of people, then you do get the money. I was enjoying what I was doing and was finding some success and therefore decided to quit my job in February; the money I was making with PFS justified this move. Some goes to the company that creates the product, some to the company that maintains it, some to the company that is in charge of selling it, and some to the agents that do the actual selling. Key Insurance is bad too. I am curious, You statisics are good, and any one else is meaningless? Im learning some things from you. The only purpose of ROP is to get more money from the clients. The money business is the most highly regulated industry on earth. You have the product you have. As far as educating my clients thats first and foremost. Sometimes people later in life develope health issues or life has just thrown them a curve.. **Melody please read some of the previous post. Not any big financial group, they get penalized for any account below 50,000 dollars. outside they can. As a Primerica Rep, the following are the facts: 1. var d=new Date();var year=d.getFullYear();document.write("©"+year+" Primerica"); Williams days are over. To be you, how much does it cost? Here is another fact, you do not tell me your true name. Wanna know something beautiful and cost effective? Or those that cant close. But let us look on a different insurance, how often do people use their car insurance for that little fender damage. Great American We have clauses because we are an organization that is growing and attracts a lot of different kinds of people, good ones and bad ones. Here are my definitions of a ethical company: One that does not use Term as a loss leader, or a last resort. But who owns them. Now health is important, but your finances are equal to , if not greater. Related: Best term life insurance companies. Lets use http://www.term4sale.com. Im supposed to get my trainer guy in front of 6 families and let him do the talking blah blah. Example a room at the Waldorf is more than the Econolodge down the street. Now that this has happened, the Office manager understands quality. This is natural and understandable. Since it seems that this person is a competitor, it does nto suprise me the salm job he is trying. He also will teach all the tricks, something most trainers and owners do not. Im a single, 26-year old guy, and I honestly dont know that many families that fit that bill. , I love that rule about the money. Interest only Loans, good for banks and mortgage brokers, but not good for clients.There are many itens but I am getting tired of typing. And an OPPORTUNITY to for others to make money on a part time basis. -. 2. But even the term you sell is not good term. This is because of my relationship with Primerica. Only 1 to 5% rate of return. You would probably open a 401k with profit sharing and tell your employee you can leave my company in a few months after I just deposited thousands of dolloars in your account, right? Primerica, its representatives and the Secure Program do not represent any of the insurers in the program. Because most people are not willing to pay their own price to succeed. To anyone looking at this, for products, Please note that any agent selling you life insurance until you are out of the work force is taking your money. You are asking me questions that the cash value agent did. Offer the best product and services you can offer and if you believe in the product it will sell itself. You are right they do get paid, but they do not do it unless it is right for the client. REAL ESTATE IS THE SAME THING. I have bought homes when they were cheap and used them as rentals. NO!! Allianz Life Insurance Company of America In my opinion I believe that we insurance agents have a moral obligation to actually give the client the best service and products available and if you can only sell one product its had to be competative. Run the numbers and add it up. When it comes to advice on insurance, I know there are cheaper term. (Citigroup did, however, Primerica is not Citigroup). They give solutions not just products, but since you seem to understand the simple things, the complex ones are going over your head. 9. I know that is pretty sharp to say. As for ownership, You said in the right situations. Travlers are gone. ______________________________. Thank you for all your thoughtsI have decided that the company is an asset to some but I am not one to fill that spot. It is something that Primerica shows families how to get off the Merry go round of debt. Since Primerica does not try to convert you to something that is worthless, by any competent adviser, this is something he valued. The idea of refinancing your house to get out of debt faster and be able to claim the interest of your taxes is not something Primerica started. (600,000 *.40 = 240,000) It shows your ignorance in math, and if you are saying that we are cheaper and basic math is a problem, your figures are suspect. And now he takes the fame of success but never the blame of failure. There is an application for this product. Tom has no ethics as a sale woman. I did learn some good things from the short adventure. They get into trouble. I am looking at Primerica now. Stop ranting, and show us how a Primerica Life policy is of higher quality. It can work, and if you are extremely careful you may not get burned. There are companies that offer policies without a TI benefit. 3. . If the office is big enough, you would meet several. IMO, the combined husband/wife policies that Primerica writes are always problematic. Again I dis agree or they would not be growing. Do they sell cash value? 4. There were several proofs of this on the boards. But he was a great leader. Believe in yourself! The only thing I can see you bringing your clients are CHEAPER products. *****Convertability is something 98% of the people who buy insurance will never need. But since this does not follow your statements it must be false. But since I do not get any service that is all I use. You seem to be taking this personal. Yes we get paid four waysYes we get actual licenses.Yes people are going to talk crap about the company because 1 out of 10 will make it hereand Yes the industry is threatened by our crusade. -. Pulling from a magazine that ties to the industry you are selling is not a good source. So this must be like most of your information, dated and incorrect. Again, Since I am a client, I cant refute this. Michael is similar in not telling you the whole truth. I joined two months ago and yes we have to go through the training/licensing process but if I did it your way I (average) american would have to pay thousands for training/education. Why only protect income in death when disability is 7X more likely than death? As for the Ghetto comment, your position remind me of the movie Boiler Room. As you may remember, I have contacted corporate more than once about these posting. want to be treated. They came from all walks of life. 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