This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! Not on Amazon it aint! I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. Some are good, some are bad. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. They drift from church to church. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). He was unable to preach the second service. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. Conclusion: And now I wait. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! He is a ministry collaborator with . It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. New International Version I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. Name me one church that has handled everything well. Cho resigned the next day. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. pokmon the series xyz. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. Each person will answer to God for themselves. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. It just looks weird. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. (John MacArthur). How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. point taken). And lets talk about finance. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Required fields are marked *. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! If that is the last word then so be it. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. But to me that is clear what it is. Will you not come and revive us? But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. 2. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. As for his preaching, we will disagree. Furtick preaches a different gospel. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: I can write the e-mails. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Can I suggest an alternative standard? "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Regards. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. Excellent post! Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Marantha! So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. (Ezek. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. What is there to apologise for? For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. Dear David, Find a Church . I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. I will reply to them briefly. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Paragraph. I kind of dreaded this type of response. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. all Christians are the same etc. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Why shouldnt he? Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Their influence has been growing and recently . Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. what evidence do you have for that?). Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. rm. Matt. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? I did read your comments. Were deeply grateful for that. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? What a waste of a fantastic talent. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. 3. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! Excellent post David. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! Do you still endorse it? What am I gonna do? He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Opinion Mark Wingfield. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. I know the drill. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. March 5, 2021 . lq mk Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! 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