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Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. read more, Scripture: Do you send women to your articles as a response? Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) I am a born again Christian. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. It is called cross promotion. Its a complete waste of time. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. This is not a new idea. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Hey brother Saiko Woods! He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. Evangelical Dark Web. 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Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. Opening Prayer. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? Baptist. I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). We are officially in the middle or a Pandemic called COVID19. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love 2. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Wow! Thank you! I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. Thats a rare find these days. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. Astonished Beyond Measure I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. No-one is beyond hope. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. such as man can bear. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. Did you feel any kind of fear? I and my attendants will fast as you do. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. If youve poked around the blog a bit, you might have noticed that we just started a new Wednesday Bible study on the book of Colossians. Do you have other references to their false teaching? Thank you so much for your consideration, I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. This article really turned me off on her. Oops! Or and be .. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Not from Scripture. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. Be a Christian Who Cares The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Thank you again. God knew what He was doing. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). In fact, the Bible says the opposite. Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. Im surprised to hear thats her position. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. 3. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! It just says dont. Period. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: Thanks so much for your comment. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. And if I perish, I perish. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. Certainly. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." It does NOT say, and be baptist. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. Mark 7:31-37. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) The riches of His word are amazing! Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. 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